 | SturmFw website| OFF-Topic / Misc. Discuss SturmFw website in the Current forums; Glad Neil came in with his two cents.....
Les no I do not know him that well but get to ... |
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07-02-2005, 12:22 PM
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#16 | | the old Sage
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Les no I do not know him that well but get to his site and call him as he would am sure honour you with a phrase or two of dedication. Am still wroking with him at present on another version of this drmatic event this time from the B-24's point of view. have already sent him a route map the 445th took and the area around Eisenach where some 24 bombers crashed some quite close together. neil may have more on that from JG 300 books point of view.
Wanted to point out and this is a bit delciate but the blue tunic may have been replaced by now in the fall with the brown~black~blue lederjacke. Not the heavier insulated fur line one for winter but the typcial summer weight with yes the yellow perserver as standard equipment.
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07-02-2005, 12:29 PM
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#17 | | Minister of Whoopass
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but the blue tunic may have been replaced by now in the fall with the brown~black~blue lederjacke. Not the heavier insulated fur line one for winter but the typcial summer weight
| Does that mean I should wait until this is changed erich??? Is this change for realisms sake??
Thanks for the info... I will contact him...
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07-02-2005, 12:32 PM
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#18 | | the old Sage
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Country: | No the painting will not be changed, the new B-24 print will come out probably next year and you will not see the details of the German pilots and in fact I would not doubt that the Fw's/109's will be in the distance or sweeping through the bomber pulk.
buy the print and tell him Erich sent you !! | |
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07-02-2005, 12:34 PM
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#19 | | the old Sage
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Country: | Les and others, Neil has this pic as well but here is a shot of IV.Sturm/JG 3 ace Willi Unger in the fall of 44 with the summer weight lederjacke with the rank insignia.......... | |
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07-02-2005, 12:48 PM
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#20 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Oh ok... Excellent. Thanks for the info....
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07-02-2005, 12:58 PM
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#21 | | the old Sage
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Country: | Les it really doesn't alter the overall painting unless you are a purest like me.....I am actually thinking quite seriously in purchasing one for my office/study. here is another pic but no on the Ost fron where IV.Sturm/JG 3 and II.Sturm/JG 4 were stationed from January 45's end till wars end. The pilot shown in the leather jacket is Siegfried Müller winner of the DK in gold. | |
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07-02-2005, 01:00 PM
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#22 | | Minister of Whoopass
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07-02-2005, 01:07 PM
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#23 | | the old Sage
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Country: | different unit and different pilot. Should let Neil make mention of this
Fw. Wolfgang Hundsdorfer of 2./JG 300 in Röte 10, his 109G-10 in October ? 1944. note the outfit/life preserver fit and his personal Lumpi motif on the fuselage. the pic is on the cover of volume 1 JG 300 produced by Jean Yves Lorant/Richard Goyat, with Neil Page as translator. this is of course the French version. | |
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07-02-2005, 04:23 PM
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#24 | | Der Crewchief
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07-02-2005, 06:21 PM
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#25 | | the old Sage
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a map of at leat 20 some B-24's of the 445th crash~sites. Note the approximity proving the closeness of the action by the SturmFw's and how quickly the Libs fell | |
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07-02-2005, 06:24 PM
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#26 | | the old Sage
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Country: | another map showing the devaition after the IP for the poor 445th bg and approx. whre attacked in masse by the Geefechtsverband. IV.Sturm/JG 3 came in first and then about a minute or so later JG 4 Sturms with JG 300's Fw 190's and I./JG 300 providing high cover and taking out cripples.
Only with the return of the P-51's of the 361st fg Yellow Jackets was the 445th able to send any homeward | |
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07-02-2005, 06:33 PM
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#27 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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07-02-2005, 07:53 PM
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#28 | | Minister of Whoopass
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07-02-2005, 08:26 PM
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#29 | | the old Sage
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Country: | I wonder if Neil could find his drawing of the Gefechtsverband in position to attack the rear of a bomber formation ? view from the tail gunners position and if you think about it, it is pretty overwhelming | |
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07-02-2005, 10:26 PM
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#30 | | Minister of Whoopass
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