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10-29-2006, 02:42 PM
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Country:  | The Regensburg and Schweinfurt missions were flown without fighter cover for the most part so was ploesti and many others if the Lanc had done either of those missions I'll bet the loss rates would have been much higher. The Lanc flew most of its daylight missions after the Luftwaffe had started to fade you probably could have used Battles or Hampdens and had lower rates for losses . One must realize we are talking apples and oranges daylight was harder but far more accurate it can't help but be the Pathfinders did good work but were far from perfect .
heres a question are Bomber Command losses including those that crashed due to primitive landing aids upon return or just losses due to enemy action
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10-29-2006, 03:23 PM
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#497 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ  Everytime I fly IFR I get vertigo - you learn to keep the scan going on those flight instruments.
BTW, last week my father in law got me an hour in the 737 sim, shot some approaches and did IFR work (vertigo of course set in). | I learned to control it as well. It scared the **** out of me the first time and then after that I learned how to control and beat it and never had a problem since.
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10-29-2006, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ndicki Just start with the fact that the Nav would, after his first mission, tie bits of string to all his implements, to anchor them to his table. On the first sortie he did, the whole lot ended up scattered all down the fuselage after a brisk corkscrew by the pilot... On subsequent sorties, the only piece of navigation equipment to get thrown around was himself. Start with that.
And to confirm what Emac44 says, my father was one of two survivors out of the 30-odd cadet pilots at his SFTS in Carberry, Manitoba. The rest got the chop. | Not just the Navigator but the gunners would be sitting on their parachutes the whole time. Especially the mid upper gunner who virtually in a Lancaster is just sitting on a wooden board. you try sitting on that for 7 to 8 hours see how you would feel when you got home to base. And bad enough practise parachute drill. imagine trying to get out of a damage Lancaster and crawling over main spar and the aircraft is spinning and all in pitch dark | |
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10-29-2006, 04:17 PM
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Country:  | Mid uppers parachute was stored beside the turret clipped to the fuselage, he sat on a leather strap.
Prefered escape was, out of turret, clip on chute, climb over two spars going forward, drop into nose section past pilot, drop through escape hatch in floor.
Rear gunner had his chute stored against the fuselage outside the turret. he needed to rotate the turret to facing straight back open the turret door, reach out, grab chute, clip it on his chest, rotate turret and then bail out.
Not fun in daylight flying level. Night time in an aircraft spinning, a nightmare.
photo from Kiwi Aircraft Images
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10-29-2006, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by k9kiwi Mid uppers parachute was stored beside the turret clipped to the fuselage, he sat on a leather strap.
Prefered escape was, out of turret, clip on chute, climb over two spars going forward, drop into nose section past pilot, drop through escape hatch in floor.
Rear gunner had his chute stored against the fuselage outside the turret. he needed to rotate the turret to facing straight back open the turret door, reach out, grab chute, clip it on his chest, rotate turret and then bail out.
Not fun in daylight flying level. Night time in an aircraft spinning, a nightmare.
photo from Kiwi Aircraft Images | Nightmare is understatement Kiwi. and mid upper gunner still had to climb over main spar to escape. normal flying conditions awkward but in spinning aircraft possibley on fire with smoke billowing through aircraft near impossible. father had said it was a wooden board he sat on with parachute. he claimed it was most uncomfortable all the time | |
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10-29-2006, 11:03 PM
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| Plus all sorts of exposed metal and eqmt that the chute harness can get tangled on.
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10-30-2006, 11:40 AM
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10-30-2006, 11:45 AM
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10-30-2006, 11:54 AM
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10-30-2006, 11:58 AM
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#505 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | after a violent corkscrew it was not uncommon to have the contents of an Elsan spilled all over the rear of a lanc
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10-30-2006, 01:48 PM
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10-30-2006, 03:34 PM
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#507 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | That is just a site that I did not need to picture right now...
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