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Madona is good in Musicals, Eveta was her best acting work.
As for the "Pearl Harbor" film, please try to think that this film good or bad did get a lot of people young people as some of you are, thinking about what hapened. I went to school with kids who did not even know what Batan was. :(

I am not saying any of you do not remember or honor the men and women who died over 60 years ago, but this worl dose have a lot who do.
 
While I agree with you in principal, what bothers me with films like this is the truth is stretched so far that you could almost assign a term paper to identify the "Hollywoodness" of this film. I know films like this are made to attract an audience and to tell a story, but many times that's through the eyes of the producer and whats really popular at the time.

As far as an honor to the men and women who survived Pearl Harbor, sure it was, but there were many Pearl harbor veterans who were also angered over this film by the cast who was in it and the way the film was manipulated by the producers who probably don't know what Bataan was! If it got a lot of young people interested WWII, that's great, but at the end of the day, I would make sure that my son or daughter knew what was "Hollywood" and was was real, then I would stop at a Blockbuster and rent the "Battle of Britian"!
 
Well that's the danger with films like that (Pearl Harbor), isn't it? Many folks tend to take everything depicted as historical fact.

Anything out of Hollywood is great for it's entertainment value, and maybe for getting the general gist of the story across, but should never be thought of in terms of a documentary.
 
Nonskimmer said:
Well that's the danger with films like that (Pearl Harbor), isn't it? Many folks tend to take everything depicted as historical fact.

Anything out of Hollywood is great for it's entertainment value, and maybe for getting the general gist of the story across, but should never be thought of in terms of a documentary.
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You got it mate!
 
this however is not the case with the dambusters film, the makers of which set out from the start for it to be a "semi- documentary", it is extremely accurate, they consulted most of the men involved and the model of the dam used in the briefing scene in the film?? that's the actual model used byt the RAF!! that's how accurate it was, most of barnes' wallis' items in the film were actually his own!!
 
the lancaster kicks ass said:
this however is not the case with the dambusters film, the makers of which set out from the start for it to be a "semi- documentary", it is extremely accurate, they consulted most of the men involved and the model of the dam used in the briefing scene in the film?? that's the actual model used byt the RAF!! that's how accurate it was, most of barnes' wallis' items in the film were actually his own!!
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And its ashame some current movies folks don't have this mindset when they make these war epics :mad:
 
they could have filmed the film in colour however they felt this would detract from the realism, amazing................
 
I think the Battle of Britan was also one of the best films in an attempt to "keep it real."

One film I always enjoyed for at least the flying scenes was "The Hunters" with Robert Mitchum and Robert Wagner. Korean war film made at old Geroge AFB, they used F-84Fs for the Migs!
 
That's part of the problem Lanc. When they do make a film that is historically accurate, it's great. But for some reason, people tend to think if one was historically correct, they all are. I think a movie can be historically accurate and still be entertaining. Thanks to U-571, people think it was the Americans that got the sub and the enigma. That really frosted me. Give the proper credit where it was due. But then again, anyone that is not an American in a Hollywood film ends up with an English accent. That is what really made me laugh about enemy at the gates. Russians with English accents! :shock:
 
I for one would like to see Hollywood do "Sink the Bismark!" Yes, I know it has been done before. It has EPIC potential, don't you think?
 
Especially if we have Alex Baldwin play the skipper of the Hood! :mad:

Seriously - I agree, I could see mega millions being made on that one!
 
Well for the British, but I am not shure American (USA) would go for it.

I saw the Windtalkers film and while it was nice, it really did not show much of the Navajo code talkers. and while they were in danger and one the lines they never had orders to die. None of them ever talked, but some did die. I have been in New Mexico and the people are still proud of the tradions and old ways. Even if the white man has stamped them almost all out.

Did you all know the code was still classified long after the war? Other tribes were used for the Army as well. ;)
 
The Canadian Army did something similar but I couldn't tell you the tribes involved, offhand. Chinese Canadians were also trained as spies. That's because most of the Japanese Canadians were in the internment camps. :rolleyes:
 
P-40s yes, but the AVG was realy all alone. I was reading some of the history they started with almost 100 planes, but lost most of them to mechanical problums or canibalization for the others.

And saddly P-40s of the AVG did not hunt A6Ms but the Ki-84 from what I read.
 
evangilder said:
That's part of the problem Lanc. When they do make a film that is historically accurate, it's great. But for some reason, people tend to think if one was historically correct, they all are. I think a movie can be historically accurate and still be entertaining. Thanks to U-571, people think it was the Americans that got the sub and the enigma. That really frosted me. Give the proper credit where it was due. But then again, anyone that is not an American in a Hollywood film ends up with an English accent. That is what really made me laugh about enemy at the gates. Russians with English accents! :shock:
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I agree the movie was fictishous but wasn't the first enigma and associated codes captured by the British between Greenland and Iceland from a German trawler/Communications ship in '41 or early '42?

Just before D-Day the US caught a sub the 505, it's upgraded Enigma and all the then current codes with a combination of surface ships and aircraft with a small escort fleet buil;t around a baby carrier.
 
wmaxt said:
I agree the movie was fictishous but wasn't the first enigma and associated codes captured by the British between Greenland and Iceland from a German trawler/Communications ship in '41 or early '42?
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That was actually the second Enigma captured by the British. The first was taken by them from U-110 in May of '41.
 
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