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Erich
the old Sage
Bill most probably the 109's/Fw's of JG 1 escorted .....maybe.........JG 6's 109's ? what is interesting in JG 1 and JG 6 claims is the B-24's which is crock. Prien even says they are engaged by hordes of P-51's and then JG 1 engages B-17's in the area of Wittenberge, then over to the Nahe River by Braunschweig. Then JG 1 Fw's engaged with P-51s by Ulzen to Salzwedel. and onward to Gardelegen, and to the north of Magdeburg. ther does seem to appear some action with Fw's of II./JG 1 near Stendal and Peine where a couple of JG 301 Fw's were shot down and lost as well. Here is the kicker Bill 3 B-17's are credited to JG 1 overall. Hptm Staiger 1, Leutnant Heckmann 1, and Ihlefeld 1 giving him his 123 victory. So what is this baloney about knocking down B-24's in the listing ? so mone should of done a thorough double check on their text
Stab JG 1 1 4-motor
I./JG 1 0
III./JG 1 2 B-24's (nope)
III./JG 6 2 B-24 (nope)
I./JG 26 1 P-51
III./JG 26 4 B-24 (absolute crock), 4 Spitfires
I./JG 27 1 P-51
II./JG 27 1 P-51, 1 P-47
III./JG 27 1 P-51
IV./JG 27 2 B-17, 4 P-51, 1 P-47
IV./JG 54 1 B-17, 6 B-17HSS
Stab JG 301 1 B-17 (nope)
I./JG 301 5 B-24, 1 P-51
II./JG 301 2 B-17 (nope)
III./JG 301 6 B-24
well we know it is fact that all of JG 301 shot down 21 B-24's this is confirmed, as to the P-51 not sure if Bert's 339th Stang is included in this ?
JG 106 0
the claims listing and brief text translated is from the JG 1 and JG 11 book By Dr. Jochen Prien
I am still trying to find exact timing of this crazy mission with the Lw attacks.
yes and a plot-situation map would be wonderful if we could somehow do this, we can try and figure direction of both sides from beginning to the end with the LW banking away to the deck and dissolving away.
Stab JG 1 1 4-motor
I./JG 1 0
III./JG 1 2 B-24's (nope)
III./JG 6 2 B-24 (nope)
I./JG 26 1 P-51
III./JG 26 4 B-24 (absolute crock), 4 Spitfires
I./JG 27 1 P-51
II./JG 27 1 P-51, 1 P-47
III./JG 27 1 P-51
IV./JG 27 2 B-17, 4 P-51, 1 P-47
IV./JG 54 1 B-17, 6 B-17HSS
Stab JG 301 1 B-17 (nope)
I./JG 301 5 B-24, 1 P-51
II./JG 301 2 B-17 (nope)
III./JG 301 6 B-24
well we know it is fact that all of JG 301 shot down 21 B-24's this is confirmed, as to the P-51 not sure if Bert's 339th Stang is included in this ?
JG 106 0
the claims listing and brief text translated is from the JG 1 and JG 11 book By Dr. Jochen Prien
I am still trying to find exact timing of this crazy mission with the Lw attacks.
yes and a plot-situation map would be wonderful if we could somehow do this, we can try and figure direction of both sides from beginning to the end with the LW banking away to the deck and dissolving away.