Spitfires or 5 Series Italian fighters (More beautiful)

[Udet]

Unless you really know your Spitfires its almost impossible to pick from the Mk VII, VIII, IX and XVI.

In fact, I know the Spitfires very well. What about you?

 

[plan_D]

You know your Spitfires well? Is this the same person that stated the Spitfire F.21 handled like a pig?

 

[Udet]

Since you have such a good memory to recall the Spitfire 21 -as well as several versions before it- had lost the manouvering wonder of the earlier versions, you ought to know who this person is.

 

[volto71]

I love MC205V...Veltro 4ever!!!

 

[Maestro]

I think everyone knows my opinion here : Spitfire !

 

[plan_D]

It's been stated, and proved, time and time again on this website that the Spitfire lost no handling as it passed through the marks. The Spitfire XIV had the exact same turning circle as the Spitfire IX - the loss of handling is nothing but a myth.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

yes i too have read that the Mk.V handled like a .IX and the .IX handled like a .XIV and the .21 handled like a .XIV, this implying the .21 handled like a .V...........

 

[Parmigiano]

Spitfire MK I or II for the beauty, I think the look of the spit went worse when they started to add bulges (for he Griffon), bigger noses and guns protruding from the wings.

The series 5 were beautiful, but if I have to choose I say the spit.

And btw, the Spit 21 (without being a pig) was actually handling worse than the earlier marks, I believe because they redesigned the wing structure to 'improve' the original Mitchell's design but I suspect the people who replaced him had not a comparable talent...

 

[plan_D]

There was a difference in the wing shape of the F.21, but that was because of the increases in fuel and weapon load. The increase in weight, however, was made good by the increase in engine power.

The Spitfire XIV had the exact same turning circle as the Spitfire IX. And while the 21 may have had a slight decrease, it wasn't significant and it certainly did not handle like a 'pig' in any sense.

 

[cheddar cheese]

I love MC205V...Veltro 4ever!!!

MC.205N Orione is better 8)

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

what's the point in arguing about that, neither is more attractive than the spitfire

 

[Parmigiano]

Plan, according to what I remember from one of my Spitfire books (don't remember which one, I'll check this evening at home) the wing of the 21 was completely redesigned.
The original single-spar wing was deemed unsuitable for further developments, fact was that the new wing was not better than the old one (that was a design blessed by real genius)
Also the Mk21 had a very painful story of instability and bad behavior, that took quite some time to iron out.

I will check the book and provide quotes about this and an interview to a Supermarine test pilot who stated the lower handling performances of the late marks.
That does not mean that the XIV or the 21 (once the problems were solved) were bad aircrafts, but seems natural that increase in power, torque, weight etc. brought a faster but less pleasant and agile ship.

 

[cheddar cheese]

what's the point in arguing about that, neither is more attractive than the spitfire

They are...

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

how the hell are they more attractive than this!

all sources on right click............

 

[cheddar cheese]

Oh my, look and the big, gaudy propellor, mongulated canopy and disproportionate tailfin...Its really a lot more beautiful that the simple elegant lines of the Macchi

Here are some truely beautiful planes...

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

it looks like a wet dog and how is the spit's fin out of proportion?

all sources on right click..........

 

[cheddar cheese]

Too short and stubby...

And they dont look like wet dogs, they look immense...

And wow, I just noticed that on the RE.2005, the undercarriage folds out wards, whereas on the MC.205 and G.55 they fold inwards...Interesting...

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

Interesting...

well that depends on your viewpoint

tail looks fine to me

sources on right click........

 

[cheddar cheese]

That bits ok I meant the horizontal.
And im sorry but I prefer the Serie 5's 8)

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

but then again you wear pink shirts too