kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
I re-read the caption, it's the airbrake...And the engine mock-ups were smaller than the engines, right?
What aircraft (any side) would you develope further
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I re-read the caption, it's the airbrake...And the engine mock-ups were smaller than the engines, right?
Henk
Master Sergeant
Yup, they had that problem with the Ho-229 V2. check these out.
You can see in the pictures the mock-up engines they used. They look very real too.
You can see in the pictures the mock-up engines they used. They look very real too.
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
The length looks right, so it was just the diameter that was off. Hmm...
All 3 pics are with the mock-ups? (the center one looks different)
All 3 pics are with the mock-ups? (the center one looks different)
renrich
Chief Master Sergeant
Has anyone mentioned the Vought XTBU Seawolf? It would seem to have a number of advantages over the Avenger.
Henk
Master Sergeant
Yes, the V2 prototype did not have any covers over the engines to make testing better without any problems.
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
And we've been calling the yaw control devices spoilers, which isn't correct as spoilers are designed to decrease lift by altering the flow over the uper wing surfaces, these devices are designed to create drag. They extend above and below the wing to create equal drag above and below the wing. They are basicly "fence type" airbrakes, like those on the inner wings of the Meteor.
HealzDevo
Staff Sergeant
Accelerate progress of the B-36 Peacemaker Bomber. An enlarged B-29 Stratofortress to fire-bomb Japan and Germany. It actually reached production in 1946 and although not used as a bomber gave sterling service in reconnaissance over Russia in the Cold War. It therefore would have given the Allies a greater edge in heavy bombing capability if the War had lasted a year longer...
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
Bombing from high altitude proved very difficult in the PTO due to jet streams.
And seing as ceiling would be the only real advantage over the B-29 (or you get into larger bombload per bomber vs larger numbers of B-29's) it would be moot. The B-36's would be sitting ducks with max speeds barely over 200 mph at medium altitudes, and these wouldn't be getting the jet boosters either. (which was one of the saving graces to the design, allong with the nuclear capability)
But in a conventional sense the'd be much harder to utilize and escort than B-29's or B-50's. (which had much better performance)
And seing as ceiling would be the only real advantage over the B-29 (or you get into larger bombload per bomber vs larger numbers of B-29's) it would be moot. The B-36's would be sitting ducks with max speeds barely over 200 mph at medium altitudes, and these wouldn't be getting the jet boosters either. (which was one of the saving graces to the design, allong with the nuclear capability)
But in a conventional sense the'd be much harder to utilize and escort than B-29's or B-50's. (which had much better performance)
HealzDevo
Staff Sergeant
But was that lack of performance because they never reached their intended role or not? I am saying that engines would have been produced for them that would have given them suitable performance if they had been needed.
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
The jets gave that for short periods, otherwise there was nothing better around than the R-4360. And it was already using six of them.
SoD Stitch
Banned
Well, that was the original reason for developing the B-36; Army Air Force planners anticipated losing England as an airbase, so they wanted to develop a bomber that could fly all the way from the East coast of the US to Berlin and back, AND carry a decent bomb load.
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
But even if that had occured there would be no escorts, and even if it flew above the ceiling of intercepting fighters, (assuming accuracy was acceptable, which it may not have been) development of a super high altitude fighter could have been done, and with more concentrated effort than occured in reality, as Germany would already be in better shape with England taken out.
Vraciu
Airman
I think I'd try to develope Bf 109G/K - it'll be longer, wider, it'll have aerodynamical canopy, main landing gear such as in Fw 190A (but shape from Bf 109), engine DB 605ASM or DB 603, tailwheel from Bf 109K, it'll be armed with one MK 108 cannon in engine and two MG 151/20 wing cannons (in such place as those in Fw 190A).
net_sailor
Senior Airman
Vraciu, you are talking about Me 209 II - not very succesfull development 
If America lost England as a base could they just use Scotland and Wales instead?
As for further developments I would have liked to see the Spiteful reach service, and maybe also the Jet Mosquito that DH were developing. I also agree that the Whirlwind developed to its full potential would have been great to see.
As for further developments I would have liked to see the Spiteful reach service, and maybe also the Jet Mosquito that DH were developing. I also agree that the Whirlwind developed to its full potential would have been great to see.
Vraciu
Airman
No, net sailor. My project has other shape, MG 151/20, other tailwheel, other shape of main undercarriage and better canopy (aerodynamical).
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MacArther
Staff Sergeant
Any photos or drawings we can use as reference?
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
The "Me 209 II" had wide stance inward retracting landing gear. I believe 2x MG 151/20's had been proposed in addition to the 109G's main armament. (or possible in the nose, replacing the MG 131's)
Several variants of the Bf 109 already had retractable tailwheels. And the "aerodynimical canopy" I assume would be a teardrop or bubble type canopy similar to that of the Fw 190 or Me 262. The main advantages of these canopies is the improved visibility, in some cases aerodynamic drag may be reduced, but in others it may be detrimental.
I don't think such an aircraft would have any advantage over the Fw 190 fitted with the same engine.
There was also the more advanced Me 309 which was actually an earlier project than the Me 209-II. It was an entirely new aircraft however, and there were a fair amount of problems, particularly with the nosewheel arrangement.
Several variants of the Bf 109 already had retractable tailwheels. And the "aerodynimical canopy" I assume would be a teardrop or bubble type canopy similar to that of the Fw 190 or Me 262. The main advantages of these canopies is the improved visibility, in some cases aerodynamic drag may be reduced, but in others it may be detrimental.
I don't think such an aircraft would have any advantage over the Fw 190 fitted with the same engine.
There was also the more advanced Me 309 which was actually an earlier project than the Me 209-II. It was an entirely new aircraft however, and there were a fair amount of problems, particularly with the nosewheel arrangement.
If England were gone, it would have been a complete loss. Scotland and Wales would be gone as well.
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
This is off topic of course, but,
Iceland could have been used as a possible initial US base of operations. Working to regain the freedom of the UK and then move on to Europe. Alternatively the US would have had to work up form North Africa.
Of course sucessfully invading Britain is another issue alltogether, a recent discussion came up here: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/polls/best-battle-britain-aircraft-507-27.html
It may have been possible with proper tactics and coodination of their armmed forces. (and a combined air and sea invasion force) But I don't think it would be possible until 1941, and Hitler wouldn't be willing to invest the kind of time and resourses necessary with his eagerness to move on to the east.
Iceland could have been used as a possible initial US base of operations. Working to regain the freedom of the UK and then move on to Europe. Alternatively the US would have had to work up form North Africa.
Of course sucessfully invading Britain is another issue alltogether, a recent discussion came up here: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/polls/best-battle-britain-aircraft-507-27.html
It may have been possible with proper tactics and coodination of their armmed forces. (and a combined air and sea invasion force) But I don't think it would be possible until 1941, and Hitler wouldn't be willing to invest the kind of time and resourses necessary with his eagerness to move on to the east.
