Pearl Harbor Attack
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evangilder
"Shooter"
Umm, I don't think anyone here has forgotten, nor will we.
syscom3
Pacific Historian
Damn, I thought this thread was going to be a discussion on Pearl harbor!
evangilder
"Shooter"
It still could be...
Njaco
The Pop-Tart Whisperer
Kimmel was a scapegoat.
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syscom3
Pacific Historian
Kimmel was a scapegoat.
(does that work?
He was responsible for the debacle and he is lucky he wasn't executed for incompetence.
Freebird
Master Sergeant
Even if the mistakes were not all his, the guy in charge (usually) takes the blame.
Imagine if "Overlord" had been a huge disaster, and the Allies had failed to hold the beaches, Ike would probably have taken the fall, even if his planning leadership were not the problem.
Njaco
The Pop-Tart Whisperer
I may have to go with freebird on this. I've read postive things about him and negative. Not totally his blame but sometimes crap rolls uphill.
ToughOmbre
Senior Master Sergeant
Kimmel (and Short) were incompetent. They were warned more than once about a potential Japanese attack and did not take the necessary steps to defend Pearl. Marshall's last "war warning" went out ten days (27 November) prior to 7 December. They are not scapegoats in my mind.
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AVRoe
Airman 1st Class
Im not up on Pearl Harbor.I`ve seen the newish film,was it factual?
ToughOmbre
Senior Master Sergeant
"Pearl Harbor" was an awful movie. Watch the 1970 movie "Tora! Tora! Tora!", very accurate.
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B-17engineer
Colonel
I luved tora tora tora so much better than Pearl Harbor it was all having to do with a Love story
wilbur1
Tech Sergeant
God i loved that movie!
Erich
the old Sage
make a note that the original poster has not returned if h/it is a poster or a spam bot ?
wilbur1
Tech Sergeant
Just noticed that myself erich good eyes
I believe Tora, Tora, Tora was probably the most impressive WW-ll flight movie ever made. The scenes of the Japanese lifting off their carriers, enterring PH airspace were just awesome. I love the scene of the trainer airplane being surrounded by IJN aviation. It was incredible.
TTT is probably in my top 5 favorite war movies of all time.
TTT is probably in my top 5 favorite war movies of all time.
Wasn't the defence of HAWAII supposed to be ARMY responsibility?
syscom3
Pacific Historian
It was a joint Navy and Army affair, with primary defense going to the Navy due to the naval shipyard.
Neither Kimmel nor Short had unified planning meetings, unified C&C and neither knew what each other was doing.
evangilder
"Shooter"
An couple of interesting inaccuracies in TTT. When the Japanese are flying near Pearl, there is a large cross on the hill. That was erected after the war. There is another scene where you see nurses running on base. Look closely, there is the Arizona Memorial! Not to nit-pick, the rest of the facts were well done, just some Hollywood ****-ups that happen.
syscom3
Pacific Historian
That isnt nit picking, its just a fact that untill recently, movies could only be historically accurate to a degree.
Imagine the studio asking the navy if they could remove the memorial for a bit?
Nowadays, computer graphics can be used to edit out structures that arent supposed to be there.
