Hmmm intersting stuff, thanks for sharing it.
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Agreed, good find Joe.lesofprimus said:Good read Joe...
For the most part no - you always have the pilot skill factor...Soren said:A P-38 out-maneuvering a Fw-190
True - but at the same time its been shown the P-38 in the ETO was not flown to its full potential. Overall I recognize most -190 marks superior to the P-38 in maneuvability, but if flown correctly by the right pilot it would give any -190 a run for its money - But then again you could almost say that about most fighters......Soren said:wmaxt go ask any veteran FW-190 pilot and he will tell just how much of a turkey the P-38 really was compared to the FW-190. The P-38 was atcually the plane the German fighter pilots were the least afraid of out of all Allied fighters.
Soundbreaker Welch? said:That was a good story the pilot told.
But this topic could soon be turning into a debate between the Corsair vs. Lightning.
What do you think?
Robbin Olds would say the same about the -190Soren said:You can go ask a Focke Wulf pilot what he thinks of the P-38, and he'll tell you exactly how he feels about it = "Easy prey!" And those are probably the exact words he is going to choose.
Robbin Olds would say the same about the -190
But that was the keySoren said:But against a Fighter version A-7 or a D-9 being flown by a properly trained pilot, the P-38 really doesn't stand a chance, unless being piloted by a "very" good pilot.
Soren said:I can't believe you actually believe that wmaxt, its clearly fairy-tales.
Soren said:The point where a pilot claims the P-38 could out-roll the Fw-190 is a dead give-away. (Not to mention the claim tthat it would outturn one as-well )
Soren said:You can go ask a Focke Wulf pilot what he thinks of the P-38, and he'll tell you exactly how he feels about it = "Easy prey!" And those are probably the exact words he is going to choose.
Soren said:Not a single, not one of the Fw-190 or 109 vets I've ever talked to looked at the P-38 as a worthy opponent, "it was like fighting a bomber" one pilot once said! Now that can hardly be described as maneuverable
FLYBOYJ said:Robbin Olds would say the same about the -190Soren said:You can go ask a Focke Wulf pilot what he thinks of the P-38, and he'll tell you exactly how he feels about it = "Easy prey!" And those are probably the exact words he is going to choose.
I have seen some cornering data that gives a max g corner for a P-38L at 270mph and a radii at 531ft to the Fw-190D9 at 325mph and 769ft. The AAF pilots that fought them are consistent the P-38 could beat a 190.
The Fw-190 rools at its peakof 142deg/sec at ~270mph by 350mph its roll rate is down to 81deg/sec. The P-38L at 350mph is rolling at 88deg/sec and is up to 98deg/sec at 450mph.
Any pilot esp those who haven't seen one and has comfidence in himself and his aircraft would say that, including the P-38 pilots. Obviously you didn't take time to read the Carey site, or Gallands story that in his words "You damn neer killed me that day". You obviously didn't read Flyboys post from John Tilley. If a P-38 can out turn a zero at 100ft do you really think it can't out turn a Fw-190?
I don't think the P-38 was signifigantly better than a 190 but it could go 1:1 with an even or better chance of winning.
Well if he hasn't seen one or bounced and ran he wouldn't really know, would he?
You obviously haven't read much about the P-38 have you? There was a saying that was still around for my uncle to hear, If Jesus came back as a plane he'd be a P-38. That doesn't sound like a bomber does it. I will admit and even show you cases where FGs disliked the P-38, some wanted single engine fighters because of a mindset, they never tried to see what the P-38 could do. That kind of thing is not the problem of the aircraft.