Where was Hanna Reitsch going to take Hitler?

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A bit of contextual information to the story. It appears that von Greim and Reitch's trip to Berlin was not with the intent to rescue the Fuhrer. On 24 April Hitler ordered von Greim, who was in Munich as C-in-C Luftflotte 6 to report to him in person to promote him as Generalfeldmarschall and commander of the Luftwaffe after learning of Goering's so-called betrayal. That Reitsch wanted to fly Hitler out of Berlin was certainly raised once they reached the bunker, but it wasn't the reason why von Greim went in the first place. Reitsch was his girlfriend and tagged along for the ride.

Von Greim and Reitch took off from Munich (in what?) on the 25th and flew to Rechlin as Gatow, their intended destination was under attack. From Rechlin the plan was to fly by helicopter under cover of darkness, but the last one there, not sure of the type had been damaged and was not airworthy. The next day, von Greim and Reitsch were flown (by an unnamed pilot) in an Fw 190 of all things, the pilot and von Greim in the cockpit and Reitsch in the space aft of the pilot's seat, to Gatow. The aircraft had an escort of 20 fighters, of which seven were shot down en route.

From Gatow, von Greim and Reitsch collared the Fi 156 to fly to the centre of Berlin, landing in the eastern side of the Tiergarten on what was known as the Ost-West Asche (East-West Axis) of Hitler and Speer's Germania. This section of the dual carriageway had been turned into a makeshift airfield on the 24th and one of the people to land there was Hans Ulrich Rudel. The day after von Greim and Reitsch had arrived in Berlin, two Junkers Ju 52/3ms landed carrying ammunition for the city's defence, but on take off, one clipped a tree and was destroyed, its wreckage drew the attention of Allied photographers after the city's capture as it was still there. Von Greim was wounded by ground fire while piloting the Storch, which meant the decision was made that they both would stay in the bunker until he recovered.

Interestingly, von Greim and Reitsch left the bunker on the 28th as Hitler ordered him to go seek out Heinrich Himmler, who had been in contact with Sweden, leading the Fuhrer to get mad and order von Greim to bring the disgraced Reichsfuhrer-SS before him. The two left the bunker and flew from the Tiergarten airstrip in an Arado Ar 96 flown by the same fella who piloted the Fw 190 the two had flown in from Rechlin to Gatow. The fate of the Storch the two arrived in is not known, probably destroyed by enemy fire. That guy, whomever his name was also flew Speer out when he left the bunker for the last time.

The Ost-West Asche looking east from the Siegessaule, the monument that Speer had moved from in front of the Reichstag to the centre of the new road. Crossing between the Reichstag and the Brandenburger Tor, perpendicular to the axis was Hermann Goering Strasse. At the far right of the image, a block away from that road was the bunker on this side of the Reichskanzlei on Voss Strasse.

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I guess the plan was to get him out of surrounded Berlin, not necessarily an escape from the country. The safest bet would have been anywhere NW. But according to your map, there is one place they could go: the Swedish island of Bornholm.
 
I guess the plan was to get him out of surrounded Berlin, not necessarily an escape from the country. The safest bet would have been anywhere NW. But according to your map, there is one place they could go: the Swedish island of Bornholm.
Bornholm was briefly Swedish in 1658, before and after it has been staunchly Danish.

But as it happens the German commander on Bornholm, Gerhard von kamptz refused to surrender to the Russians, and so on the 7th -8th of may the Soviet airforce thorughly bombed the largest cities on Bornholm. It is part of the story that the German forces in Denmark kapitulated on the 4th of may, effective from the 5th. In my childhood I often heard the BBC message, listing the different relevant areas like Holland, Belgium, Northern Germany etc and then, after a pause that seemed altogether inexplicably long, throwing in Denmark at the end.

The story I was told in my childhood was that the resistanse movemant had been warned about the bombings, but that the Soviets had given the Soviet time and not the Danish, so the civilian population was not prepared. It would fit into another tradition of mistaken dates, but it may also be that the story is not true. After all, it was told to me during the cold war.

Anyway, the Kreigsmarine (as it was) defended Bornholm as long as any place in occupied Europe. Still it wouldn't have bought Hitler that much time, on the 9th the Soviets invaded Bornholm in 5 motorboats with 100 men in all. According to Danish wiki, that is. It varies somewhet from anglophone wiki, which states that Kamptz demanded at least one english soldier he could capitulate to, which is actually what I was told in my childhood. Danish wiki stresses that the sea between Bornholm and the coast of Northern Germany still had strategic importance for evacuation from the eastern areas.
 
Personally, I don't believe such details as what to do with him once he had been taken from the bunker and perhaps flown to Gatow had even been considered. As mentioned, Reitsch would have only had time to contemplate the idea, perhaps even discuss it with von Greim before pleading with Hitler to leave, but to have gone to such lengths as to what to do with him next probably didn't get too far up the conversation ladder.

Let's put it this way, the Fuhrer had no intention of leaving the bunker. He ordered von Greim to return with Himmler. It's also worth noting that Hitler wrote his last will and testament on the same day as he ordered von Greim to go get Himmler, in which he stated Doenitz as his replacement. Hitler stated that there was no way he was going to become a thing for the Allied powers to parade if he got captured, so, even at the time he learned of Goering's betrayal and ordered von Greim to Berlin, he was not planning on leaving.

The site of Hitler's bunker, with Wilhelm Strasse to the left and Voss Strasse directly ahead. Now a non-descript car park surrounded by East German-built luxury apartments, whose footprint follows the impenetrable lines of the bunker's subterranean construction.

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Personally, I don't believe such details as what to do with him once he had been taken from the bunker and perhaps flown to Gatow had even been considered. As mentioned, Reitsch would have only had time to contemplate the idea, perhaps even discuss it with von Greim before pleading with Hitler to leave, but to have gone to such lengths as to what to do with him next probably didn't get too far up the conversation ladder.

Let's put it this way, the Fuhrer had no intention of leaving the bunker. He ordered von Greim to return with Himmler. It's also worth noting that Hitler wrote his last will and testament on the same day as he ordered von Greim to go get Himmler, in which he stated Doenitz as his replacement. Hitler stated that there was no way he was going to become a thing for the Allied powers to parade if he got captured, so, even at the time he learned of Goering's betrayal and ordered von Greim to Berlin, he was not planning on leaving.

The site of Hitler's bunker, with Wilhelm Strasse to the left and Voss Strasse directly ahead. Now a non-descript car park surrounded by East German-built luxury apartments, whose footprint follows the impenetrable lines of the bunker's subterranean construction.

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Same place in 1954.

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I'm trying to figure out in which direction we are looking. If we are facing east, we are looking towards Wilhelm Strasse on the other side of the ruins, from what was Herman Goering Strasse. That would make the building we can see part of to the right the remains of the Propaganda Ministry, original sections of which survive to this day.

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I'm trying to figure out in which direction we are looking. If we are facing east, we are looking towards Wilhelm Strasse on the other side of the ruins, from what was Herman Goering Strasse. That would make the building we can see part of to the right the remains of the Propaganda Ministry, original sections of which survive to this day.

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Sorry, I can't tell you which way the photo is oriented. Maybe the sun angle may be a clue. My Mother took that picture on a Berlin trip back in 1954.
 
Sorry, I can't tell you which way the photo is oriented. Maybe the sun angle may be a clue. My Mother took that picture on a Berlin trip back in 1954.
Based on the date, I reckon that this is looking due east as this would have been the furthest east that Westerners could go without a permit to enter East Berlin. I reckon the buildings to the left are the remains on the Unter den Linden. By this stage, the DDR was in control and was rather strict about these things at that time. The Wall was only another seven years later, but the DDR was paranoid about its citizens heading west as in 1953 DDR troops had suppressed rioting workers with machine guns not that far away from the spot where the photograph was taken, near the remains of what was the RLM building, again, which still survives.
 
For those of you interested, here are pictures of the former Reichsluftfahrtministerium (RLM - Air Ministry), a rather grandiose piece of architecture designed by Ernst Sagebiel (not Albert Speer), the same guy who designed the big terminal at Tempelhof Airport. After the war it survived relatively intact, which was remarkable as it is huge and in reconnaissance photos taken by the Allies it stands out like a sore thumb. It was at the time of its completion the biggest office block in the world, filled with the bureaucracy needed to run an air department. Its main entrance was on Wilhelm Strasse up the road from the Reichs Chancellery on Voss Strasse, the Propaganda Ministry and the Ministry of the Interior also on Wilhelm Strasse. This is the main entrance. Today it is the Finance Ministry.

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This end of the former RLM building has a monument to the 1953 East German uprising and is called Platz der Volksaufstandes von 1953. This commemorates the time when over two days in June, the 16th and 17th, there were mass protests and worker strikes across East Germany, which were brutally quashed by the East German security services.

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After the war, the building was refurbished and became the seat of government of the DDR, before a purpose-built structure was built on the Unter den Linden. This is the corner of Wilhelm Strasse and Niederkirchener Strasse, although during the war it was Prinz Albrecht Strasse, with the Reich Security Main Office housing the Gestapo, SS and other agencies' headquarters in it. That is one of the only original sections of the Wall remaining in place in the city centre to the left.

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This is looking from the site of the Reich Security Main Office building, which is now a memorial to Nazi atrocities, toward the RLM building. It is difficult to convey its overall size from ground level as it stretches across the entire block on Wilhelm Strasse.

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Directly behind the RLM building is this reproduction of the original old structure, which was a council chambers before the Nazis, but was collared by Goering and became a hotel casino complex for Luftwaffe personnel visiting Berlin and was named Haus der Flieger. The RLM building to the right.

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As long as we are on the subject of Berlin, here are a few pictures that I took there on leave in early 1963.

Checkpoint Charlie, looking East- May 1963.
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"Volunteer" work party of girls near Karl Marx Allee, May 1963. The girls were more interested in us than working. :)
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Memorial to Unknown Refugee-Berlin- May 1963. The man was found in the River Spree. Volks Polezei (VOPO) patrol boat behind.
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East Berlin Opera-across from Humbolt University, May 1963. There was a "festival" going on and some East Germans tried to get us to participate. We smelled a propaganda set-up and declined.

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A not-uncommon sight in East Berlin in 1963- damage left over from 1945.
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I was there as well in February 1962 but those pictures are in B & W. BTW, Germans refer to an officers' club as a "casino".
 
Brilliant photos! So good to see these and figuring out where they are now. I have friends living in Berlin and have always enjoyed my time there, spending hours roaming the streets, so seeing old photos is always a treat.

BTW, Germans refer to an officers' club as a "casino".

Ah interesting. It was a German who told me about Haus der Flieger. Maybe they might have indulged in a little illicit gamesmanship... :D

Checkpoint Charlie has its own KFC now, a wee snack on 11 herbs and spices before crossing the border...

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The first time I went to Checkpoint Charlie was not long after the wall came down and it was still much like how it looked in your picture, Manta, but without the bricks and barrier arms and people just ambling across the road. The sign there now is a reproduction, the original is in the Alliertenmuseum, I think. Interesting to see Karl Marx Allee under construction. It was held up as the centre piece of East German decadence, but it is a bit of a slum now as some of those big apartment blocks lie empty as no one can afford the rents, so I've been told. Some have been pulled down because of their general state of deterioration.

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The former Karl Marx Allee from the Fernsehturm.

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I've seen reference to that memorial in books and stuff. There were quite a few across the city, some of which still exist. A former girlfriend of mine studied psychology at Humboldt Uni.

The opera house now. This is the Bebelplatz, y'know, when book burning was a Nazi craze...

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Brilliant photos! So good to see these and figuring out where they are now. I have friends living in Berlin and have always enjoyed my time there, spending hours roaming the streets, so seeing old photos is always a treat.



Ah interesting. It was a German who told me about Haus der Flieger. Maybe they might have indulged in a little illicit gamesmanship... :D

Checkpoint Charlie has its own KFC now, a wee snack on 11 herbs and spices before crossing the border...

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The first time I went to Checkpoint Charlie was not long after the wall came down and it was still much like how it looked in your picture, Manta, but without the bricks and barrier arms and people just ambling across the road. The sign there now is a reproduction, the original is in the Alliertenmuseum, I think. Interesting to see Karl Marx Allee under construction. It was held up as the centre piece of East German decadence, but it is a bit of a slum now as some of those big apartment blocks lie empty as no one can afford the rents, so I've been told. Some have been pulled down because of their general state of deterioration.

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The former Karl Marx Allee from the Fernsehturm.

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I've seen reference to that memorial in books and stuff. There were quite a few across the city, some of which still exist. A former girlfriend of mine studied psychology at Humboldt Uni.

The opera house now. This is the Bebelplatz, y'know, when book burning was a Nazi craze...

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A couple of notes... Karl Marx Allee had been re-named from Stalin Allee when he left power. The nice new buildings lining the street had sidewalks with overhead wooden scaffolds to protect pedestrians from pieces of siding that were coming off the building sides and falling on the sidewalks below.

A "Casino" undoubtedly permitted gambling among officers but that was incidental. Our 1957 Junior-Senior prom was held in the Casino behind the I G Farben Building..

Hero picture from February 1962.
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Great pics guys. Brings back a lot of memories. I was fortunate as well to visit Berlin on several occasions. Both before and after the wall fell. Took the "Duty Train" to West Berlin from Frankfurt. Went through Check Point Charlie into East Berlin. I still have my passport with the stamps in it, and the travel orders in English, German, French, and Russian. Great times.
 
A couple of notes... Karl Marx Allee had been re-named from Stalin Allee when he left power.

Stalin Allee was renamed Karl Marx Allee in 1961 because the mustachioed dictator fell out of favour in the Soviet Union, owing to Khruschev's denouncing of him. The boulevard was named Stalin Allee in 1949 and there used to be a statue of Stalin on it, but this was removed...

Hero picture from February 1962.

Wall Number One in the background. Great photo. The wall went through four major refurbishments, it's first installation in August 1961 was hasty and the workers used whatever junk they could get their hands on in some places. Masonry from war damaged buildings was a common building material.
 

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