Good work so far guys!
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Just a small update on Black 6 as I've finished the prop. I repainted the blades, drilled the small hole in the front of the spinner, painted it black and added the spiral, which took a bit of decal solvent to remove some wrinkles.
Next step will be to detail the open MG151 cannon bay and I started by painting this area RLM02 and giving it a good wash of black artist oil.
T Bolt
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Nice work on the spinner Andy
Looks sweet - nice work with the wing join... Re: the gun bay, while its impossible to go one way or the other, many of the later batches of D-9's were not painted RLM02/RLM66 internally (ie, RLM02 in Wheel wells, Wing Gun Bays, Rear Fuselage and RLM66 for the Fuselage Gun Bays). While its merely a rule of thumb I use, I tend to go with if there is bare metal on the under surfaces of the wing, then the gun bays and wheel wells were also probably bare metal. Alternatively, it can be fun (if you've no references to the contrary) to start to mix and match components (especially if there is evidence of repair) - ie, RLM02 bays, with bare metal fittings and door interiors, etc... 
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Good stuff Andy!
Lucky13
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Looking good mate!
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Thanks guys.
Mixin' and matchin', Dan, is what I'm doing.
Mixin' and matchin', Dan, is what I'm doing.
@Crimea - cool; I really enjoy both the look and the 'doing' of the whole Mix and Match thing... And one of the pro's about doing the D-15 - I get to mix and match GFW Fw 190D-9 stuff (in RLM colours) with Daimler Benz Ta 152C stuff (also in RLM) with the bits of custom/prototype Roland integration stuff (Painted in RAL colours). Planning to do the same with the under carriage and little parts of the engine bay, etc...
A4K
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Great work Andy!
Dan, glad you got the D-11 alright mate, shame about the fit problems though.
The firewall and MG details are from a Hungarian resin set , FM Details. They make (or made -someone told me the company dosen't exist now) beautiful products, much more accurate than Verlinden. Their products are still around, atleast here in Hungary, so check the net.
Btw, have a spare falcon 'blown' canopy if you need it.
Dan, glad you got the D-11 alright mate, shame about the fit problems though.
The firewall and MG details are from a Hungarian resin set , FM Details. They make (or made -someone told me the company dosen't exist now) beautiful products, much more accurate than Verlinden. Their products are still around, atleast here in Hungary, so check the net.
Btw, have a spare falcon 'blown' canopy if you need it.
Oh and if ppl are interested, im to the point of replacing the Stiffeners on the D-15, as well as adding the extra stiffener that I feel was present on the exterior of the a/c (based in Drawings and photos of Burnt out aircraft)... One step closer to Union.
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A4K
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Good stuff mate!
As for the FM Details sets, I have their 1:48 Bf 109K engine and cockpit sets... just stunning! Not sure of their full stock range, but there were sets for everything from Zeros to A-10s at the last model market, mostly in 1:48.
As for the FM Details sets, I have their 1:48 Bf 109K engine and cockpit sets... just stunning! Not sure of their full stock range, but there were sets for everything from Zeros to A-10s at the last model market, mostly in 1:48.
ok after reviewing all the help in here
here's how i've done, RLM "creamy" tone 76/83/81 fuselage 81/75 wings.
81/nmf/76 lower wings and "creamy tone 76 lower fuselage
any thoughts ?
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T Bolt
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I like it Karl!
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Always tough to judge colours on a computer screen Karl, especially with the white background. The creamy 76 looks good but, I'll be honest, to my eye the 81 and 83 look a bit off. I would have expected the 81 to be a darker brown or green, (both shades were possible) but I've not seen samples with as light a brown/green as you seem to have there. The RLM 83, if that's the consensus colour, should be a much darker green. There seems to have been confusion in the past between 82 and 83 whereby 83 was called out as the lighter, bright green and 82 the darker shade but it's widely accepted now that the 82 shade is the "bright" green. See Wayne's 262 build for a good example of an 81/82 scheme showing the correct 82 shade and a more common interpretation of 81 "Braun-Violet". I have not seen pics or profiles of an 81/83 scheme but if the more experienced guys here (Wayne and Dan) are pointing to that, I'll defer to them.
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Experienced? Like Jimi Hendrix? Me? Happy to wade in tho if people want - with the preface of saying i) a good coat of Lacquer totally changes colour - especially the darker colours, making them darker and ii) lighting temperature (kelvin) and type (flouro, flash, tungsten, halogen) all have an effect on colour! And thats before we get to calibration of Monitors and the such! Thus, any critical appraisal of Rochie's colour must take the above into consideration - ie: Rochie might have it 100% correct but be using a BIZARRE Light, Camera and Calibration set up (and having worked in design now and then, what would be considered a bizarre set up to a colour specialist, is 'normal' for most ppl)...
That said, given the above pics, I have to lend support to Crimea and his assessment. Creamy 76 looks spot on; for me, the RLM76 used on Flaps and Ailerons (and should also be on the Rudder and Elevators) is too neutral - should maybe be a bit lighter and bluer; the Grey on the top of the wings tho, I think that captures the mysterious Neutral Wing Grey quite well (one of my many theories is that the 'Mid Grey' on the wings was actually a Light/Faded/Bad Batch of RLM75 or something mixed up to extend the inventory until new colours arrived). The main questions, as Crimea Points out, is the RLM81/82 or 81/83 - since you have mentioned the later combination, we'll run with that.
RLM81 is a bastard of a colour - as mentioned, it ranges from an 'olive' version of RLM83 through to a chocolate-violet colour! That said, this is a tad light (which can be remedied with lacquer and weathering) but isnt too far off one of the known variants - for me, and in this werk nummer range, it needs to be darker and a bit browner.
RLM83 as pointed out is a MUCH darker green - your colour appears to have a distinct 'blue' bias, which unfortunately takes it right out of the ball park.
Do a search for Wayne's Ta 152H-1 (150168 - and admire those PEREFCT Werk Nummer Numerals ) to check out what I consider to be a VERY GOOD take on late RLM colours (and that a/c uses quite a few)... BUT as I have said before, colours are almost impossible to replicate and estimate off B&W pictures (and no one has BOTHERED to do a PANTONE comparision on the few remaining samples of each RLM colour, insisting on working with the retarded, archaic and ridiculously constraining 'Federal Standard' palette, which would have saved this debate, had GRAPHIC DESIGNERS been allowed to sample this stuff years ago) - the MAIN goal of any scheme to aim for correct Tonal Difference; cos that is something we can judge off photo's!
Happy to wade in tho if people want - with the preface of saying i) a good coat of Lacquer totally changes colour - especially the darker colours, making them darker and ii) lighting temperature (kelvin) and type (flouro, flash, tungsten, halogen) all have an effect on colour! And thats before we get to calibration of Monitors and the such! Thus, any critical appraisal of Rochie's colour must take the above into consideration - ie: Rochie might have it 100% correct but be using a BIZARRE Light, Camera and Calibration set up (and having worked in design now and then, what would be considered a bizarre set up to a colour specialist, is 'normal' for most ppl)...That said, given the above pics, I have to lend support to Crimea and his assessment. Creamy 76 looks spot on; for me, the RLM76 used on Flaps and Ailerons (and should also be on the Rudder and Elevators) is too neutral - should maybe be a bit lighter and bluer; the Grey on the top of the wings tho, I think that captures the mysterious Neutral Wing Grey quite well (one of my many theories is that the 'Mid Grey' on the wings was actually a Light/Faded/Bad Batch of RLM75 or something mixed up to extend the inventory until new colours arrived). The main questions, as Crimea Points out, is the RLM81/82 or 81/83 - since you have mentioned the later combination, we'll run with that.
RLM81 is a bastard of a colour - as mentioned, it ranges from an 'olive' version of RLM83 through to a chocolate-violet colour! That said, this is a tad light (which can be remedied with lacquer and weathering) but isnt too far off one of the known variants - for me, and in this werk nummer range, it needs to be darker and a bit browner.
RLM83 as pointed out is a MUCH darker green - your colour appears to have a distinct 'blue' bias, which unfortunately takes it right out of the ball park.
Do a search for Wayne's Ta 152H-1 (150168 - and admire those PEREFCT Werk Nummer Numerals
) to check out what I consider to be a VERY GOOD take on late RLM colours (and that a/c uses quite a few)... BUT as I have said before, colours are almost impossible to replicate and estimate off B&W pictures (and no one has BOTHERED to do a PANTONE comparision on the few remaining samples of each RLM colour, insisting on working with the retarded, archaic and ridiculously constraining 'Federal Standard' palette, which would have saved this debate, had GRAPHIC DESIGNERS been allowed to sample this stuff years ago) - the MAIN goal of any scheme to aim for correct Tonal Difference; cos that is something we can judge off photo's!
Thanks for the assesment guy's.
The colours are a tad darker in the flesh, they are the same paints i use for all my luftwaffe subjects.
But am glad you mentioned the 76 rudder Dan as i was thinking the same thing !
Next set of pics i will use a different background and settings and see what you think
The colours are a tad darker in the flesh, they are the same paints i use for all my luftwaffe subjects.
But am glad you mentioned the 76 rudder Dan as i was thinking the same thing !
Next set of pics i will use a different background and settings and see what you think
